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ID Needed

General discussion regarding freshwater puffers

ID Needed

Berichtdoor darb » 19 mei 2010 06:38

Hi,

I need your opinions on what you think this is. I have one and just want to be 100% sure on my identification.

thanks!

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Re: ID Needed

Berichtdoor Nanda » 19 mei 2010 11:09

Well it's dead now.. ;)

I think, no I know it's a Tetraodon cutcutia

What did you think?
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Re: ID Needed

Berichtdoor Nina » 19 mei 2010 14:53

Why a cutcutia Nanda, and not a turgidus? Targetpuffers are hard to identify
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Re: ID Needed

Berichtdoor Nanda » 19 mei 2010 15:13

Yes they are.. Even more difficult when they are dead.. It could be a Tetraodon turigidus but then a very small one..

Do you have another picture darb?

He does have the target spot of a turigidus and a body shape of a cutcutia
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Re: ID Needed

Berichtdoor darb » 19 mei 2010 20:10

The photo above is one that I came across on Aquabid labelled as a "Black River Puffer" which as far as I know is typically a palembang. Is it dead, I though that it was alive.

Anyways reminded me of the fact that I am not 100% on my own version and thus here I am.

I am kind of torn also and reverted back to the position that it really doesn't matter because essentially the care is the same for both. But it has a tubular shaped body (apart from the current pot belly that I have allowed to develop), the nose seems different from many of the turgidus photos and I estimate that it is about 10 cm, maybe a little more.

Here is a couple of my actual fish, poor shots though:
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Re: ID Needed

Berichtdoor anouk » 19 mei 2010 20:32

If the eye can fit twice (or more) into the length of the nose it's probably an Tetraodon leiurus. (if the puffer has spots on its belly).
If the eye doesn't fit twice than it's a Tetraodon turgidus.

A Tetraodon cutcutia will deffinatly not grow as big as 10 cm. The target spot of a turgidus can turn black as well when they are verry stressed.

So for the first picture i'd say (a living) stressed Tetraodon turgidus, and youre puffer Darb, i'd guess for either an Leirus or Turgidus, but because his (or her) nose is quite long i'm going for the leirus. ;)
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Re: ID Needed

Berichtdoor Nanda » 20 mei 2010 13:49

Thanks for the information Anouk!

I think the puffer on the first picture is dead because of it's colour and his fins seems dry-out..

Could be wrong offcourse ;)
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Re: ID Needed

Berichtdoor anouk » 20 mei 2010 15:49

Lol which fins seemded dried out to you?
The tailfin (is that even a word?) looks normal ( a bit damaged possibly), and so do the other fins. (to me though ;))

The coulor, seems a bit stressed but the fish seems alive to me lol. The eyes are in too much light that's why there is a "screen"thingy on them, but normaly they would probably be red.

I do agree that it's a strange looking picture... it almost seems photoshopped (with the extremly blue background). If i had to guess than this picture was made in either a fishstore, or warehouse or something like that.


Maybe Pieuwy (frieda) can tell us more about the id, she knows very specific things about these pufferfish species.

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Oh i made a mistake lol,
the first scientific part of the turgidus and leiurus is Monotretus and not Tetraodon whoops :hands
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Re: ID Needed

Berichtdoor darb » 20 mei 2010 20:55

anouk schreef:If the eye can fit twice (or more) into the length of the nose it's probably an Tetraodon leiurus. (if the puffer has spots on its belly).
If the eye doesn't fit twice than it's a Tetraodon turgidus.

A Tetraodon cutcutia will deffinatly not grow as big as 10 cm. The target spot of a turgidus can turn black as well when they are verry stressed.

So for the first picture i'd say (a living) stressed Tetraodon turgidus, and youre puffer Darb, i'd guess for either an Leirus or Turgidus, but because his (or her) nose is quite long i'm going for the leirus. ;)


Thanks, I will have a closer look. It was actually sold to me as a leiurus, but I was doubtful beacuse all of the leiurus photos seemed to consistently show a wider skull (between the eyes) (such as these) and the turgidus always seems to have a rounded body whereas mine is more torpedo shaped and has the longer nose.


anouk schreef:
Edit:
Oh i made a mistake lol,
the first scientific part of the turgidus and leiurus is Monotretus and not Tetraodon whoops :hands


Is it, I am confused. I was told by a member of an english only puffer website that all of the Monotretus had been reclassified and most all were put in the Tetraodon genus.
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Re: ID Needed

Berichtdoor Nanda » 20 mei 2010 21:13

That's correct darb.
Practically all Monotretes were changed in to Tetraodon.
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