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Tetraodon sabahensis

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Tetraodon sabahensis

Berichtdoor darb » 13 maart 2010 07:02

Hello,

Looking for suggestions water parameters for my Saba Puffer.

I am currently holding him/her at about 1.04/5 SG.
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Re: Tetraodon sabahensis

Berichtdoor Lode » 13 maart 2010 08:57

Welcome to the forum Darb, good to have a Tetraodon sabahensis owner amongst us :)

I have no personal experience with the sabahensis. What I've heard they accept a variety of saltinity. I wouldn't be surprised if you can compare it with the Tetraodon fluviatilis. Thus lower saltinity at young age and higher salitinity as an adult.

Do you have pictures of your sabahensis you can show us?
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Re: Tetraodon sabahensis

Berichtdoor Nanda » 13 maart 2010 09:20

Hi Darb!

Welcome to our forum!

I’m very curious about your pictures to.

The sabahensis is known to be a very rare fish. There are some doubt about the habitat and scientific names for this species. Some scientist claim it’s a synonym for the T. fluviatillis, while others think it’s closer to the T. nigroviridis, some say it is a specie of it’s own. So it’s very special to have this fish among us. :D

Most puffersites aim for a saltiness of 1.004 - 1.006. It’s still a gamble. My advice is to observe the fish, how does he seem to feel; how is his behavior; does he has the right color; etc.

How big is the puffer?
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Re: Tetraodon sabahensis

Berichtdoor darb » 14 maart 2010 03:20

Yes, information is even harder to come by for this species. But I did come across someone on Monster Fish Keepers who kept a group of Saba Puffers for almost 4 years and he said that he kept his at ".08 to .15 and 77 - 84 over periods to try and induce spawning." That is about the best information that I can find around. People of the puffer forum don't seem to have any great amount of luck for keeping them long term. I am probably going to hold mine at 1.04/05 for a bit since I have vals in the tank and will loose them if I go much higher. I want him to settle in a few months before I start to rework the tank on him.

He still has a patch of bright green on the top of his head. I am wondering if the bright green isn't their juvenile colouring. Time will tell if my guy outgrows his green patch. For example, I am thinking that this photo could actually be a juvenile Saba, not a T. nigroviridis since I have heard that they get mixed in with shipments of T. nigroviridis

Anyways, photos:

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Re: Tetraodon sabahensis

Berichtdoor Lode » 14 maart 2010 09:08

Deddo and Mniek from our forum have a Tetraodon sabahensis. You can view their topic here: http://www.kogelforum.lode.biz/forum/vi ... a&start=30 (Dutch language). I will go through their topic and check their water parameters and also ask them to reply in this topic :)

The best guess I have is to look at the natural habitat. I woudn't be surprised if the sabahensis gets born in a fresh to light brackish environment en migrates to the more saltier (or even marine) area's when it gets older, so it can hunt for larger prey and feels more confident because of it's size. But it's all still guessing... :hands

Fantastic photo's! How long have you had him?

Would it be ok for us to use the pictures for our database?
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Re: Tetraodon sabahensis

Berichtdoor Nanda » 14 maart 2010 13:12

Hi!

Wow! What a great fish!
Very nice pictures! Thank for sharing! :)
Bowie (the name of the sabahensis of mniek and deddo) is no longer amongst us. He died after two months or something.
They had have kept bowie at a saltiness level of 1.005 I thought.

I think you could be right about that picture of the ‘nigroviridis’. They do get mixed up a lot. Most people who come across a sabahensis were told in the shop it’s a nigroviridis.

I think your puffer could be at the right level of saltiness right now. He looks bright and healthy to me.
How big is he? What do you feed him?

I’m curious about that green spot… Keep us posted if it’s changing over the months/years. It would be very nice if we could light up some of the mysteries about this puffer, so people can keep it in better health.

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What do you think about the tail? I’ve noticed that your puffer has a spotted tail. A member here has two T. nigroviridis and one of them (the largest one) has a spotted tail and sometimes a grey/black belly. My own two nigroviridisses have white belly’s and white tails.. I wonder if the biggest puffer of this member is actually a sabahensis… What do you think? I’ll search for a picture later today…
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Re: Tetraodon sabahensis

Berichtdoor Nanda » 14 maart 2010 15:55

Okay here are the picture's:

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The shape of the body and the drawing on his back, looks like it is a nigroviridis. I just can’t place his colored belly on some pictures. It could be a sign of stress. But what about the tail?

These are my puffers. They sometimes show stress signs to but never that obvious.

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I’m very curious about your opinion.
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Re: Tetraodon sabahensis

Berichtdoor darb » 14 maart 2010 19:01

Lode schreef:The best guess I have is to look at the natural habitat. I woudn't be surprised if the sabahensis gets born in a fresh to light brackish environment en migrates to the more saltier (or even marine) area's when it gets older, so it can hunt for larger prey and feels more confident because of it's size. But it's all still guessing... :hands

Fantastic photo's! How long have you had him?

Would it be ok for us to use the pictures for our database?


The migration through different zones seems like a logical theory, if only someone would research it and prove or disprove it. Or actually an interview with a local fisherman type person could/would probably be very helpful on the life cycle of this fish.

I picked him up about three weeks ago and was being kept in freshwater. I started to drip in salt water a few days later and his behaviour immediately changed. He became very excited and swam excitedly in the corner that I was dripping the salt into. I estimate his size to be about 5 inches (12 to 13 cm).

Feel free to use the photos. I have been planning on getting some decent photos of all my puffers and release them to the public domain on Wikipedia.

Nanda schreef:What do you think about the tail? I’ve noticed that your puffer has a spotted tail. A member here has two T. nigroviridis and one of them (the largest one) has a spotted tail and sometimes a grey/black belly. My own two nigroviridisses have white belly’s and white tails.. I wonder is the biggest puffer of this member is actually a sabahensis… What do you think? I’ll search for a picture later today…


I haven't heard anything about the tail before. The makings on the tail of "Squeaky" (I called him this because he squeaks when I feed him, similar to SAPs) form vertical lines when the fin is clamped closed and open up to be spots when he fans his tail.

The belly of this guy changes frequently from white to black and back again and seems to indicate a change in mood and consistently darkens whenever I feed him.

There was 4 of these guys when I found them in my local shop. 3 had similar markings to Squeaky, but the 4th had slightly different colouring and markings which reminded me more of T. nigroviridis. Can't remember exactly why I though this, but I will try and make it back and have another look, perhaps get a photo. That is all dependant on if the fish are still alive, they had deteriorated significantly since I bought mine when I was there last. The shop keeper is keeping then in freshwater.
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Re: Tetraodon sabahensis

Berichtdoor darb » 14 maart 2010 23:37

Nanda schreef:Okay here are the picture's:

The shape of the body and the drawing on his back, looks like it is a nigroviridis. I just can’t place his colored belly on some pictures. It could be a sign of stress. But what about the tail?

These are my puffers. They sometimes show stress signs to but never that obvious.

I’m very curious about your opinion.


Well, let it be known that I know little about puffers and am just a hobbyist that recently re-entered the hobby and taken a keen interest in puffers.

Below are some related threads from thepufferforum in case you haven't noticed them before:

T. Sabahensis

Help identify my puffer

Identification Asian puffer

Large White Areas on Puffers' Skin

T. Sabahensis : Coolest fish I knew.

It is largely a hobbyist base puffer forum, with some members having an extensive history keeping puffers and a scientific interest and background.
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Re: Tetraodon sabahensis

Berichtdoor Nanda » 15 maart 2010 01:06

Hey!

Haha of course I know that site :) .
I think most of us do. It’s pretty much the English version of us with some differences. But they also don’t have all the answers so I’m very curious about the opinions from sabahensis keepers.

It would be nice if we all could tell more about this rare puffer. This so we could provide a better environment and a longer life for the puffer.

And I’m just very curious what the (mostly very minor) differences are between a T. nigroviridis and the T. sabahensis. There are so many stories and theories about the sabahensis. I think it would be cool to find out witch are true.

Thnx for the links by the way! I already saw them once, but they stay interesting.

I’ve started a topic in the Dutch part of our forum, with the question to members to post pictures of their T. nigrovirdisses and sabahensisses. http://www.kogelforum.lode.biz/forum/vi ... =27&t=1681

Do you have any more puffers?
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